thank you so much for this post! of course we should believe our senses, that's what we're born with and must deal with. it's also part of nature. most 'science' (not so much engineering, mind you) that started to be developed in the mid-19th century a.k.a. the Industrial Revolution was mainly geared at controlling the massive numbers of labourers needed for the new emerging industries and maintaining Empire (colonialism). worth checking out: the IFERS/International Flat Earth Research Society - https://ifers.forumotion.com/
(not to be confused w/limited hangout Flat Earth Society!)
the past few mornings I was able to see the waning moon in the ealry morning lightblue sky, wandering westwards, or so it seems. beautiful, mysterious as ever. yes, the IFERS' website is quite good, and thank you for all the work you do.
Seriously guy, belief in SCIENCE is belief not in God, but in anti-humanity. The Talmud is anti goyim, anti non Jew in other words. Anti morality. Are you one of us, or are you one of them? How can I trust your answer if you can lie without fear of negative karma to a goy?
Belief in science is belief in the scientific manipulation of truth. Manipulation by monetary control of the scientific authorities. Who has the monetary control? Who are the banks. They make the money. He who makes the money has control.
God made gold. Currency is man made. Made by Central Banks and their corporate owners. They make it out of debt. Bonds and such. Loans with interest on money that didn't exist to begin with. Babylonian money magic. A pretty neat trick. Till of course the goyim figure it out and kick their satanic asses out of the local jurisdiction.
Of course now they have a high level of global control through a network of international central banks, cleared through the Bank of International Settlements. No doubt secret societies play a part. Why secrecy? Because if we knew, we wouldn't go along. If we don't go along, their control evaporates.
A good barometer of citizen, or goyim, awareness, is the level of acknowledgement by goyim that the Earth is not a spinning globe. Those trying to dissuade truth seekers off of the FE trail are fighting a losing a battle against consciousness. Banning TikTok is not enough. Banning antisemitic speech is not enough. It is over for "The Big Club."
So, you want me to believe you have everything right and the heliocentric model is factual? I am wrong because I trust my senses and I reject scientism?
Science is your religion then Jimmy. How is that different from Satanism?
What passes for science these days is what gets funded. Climate change is BS, but it gets funded. Are you a believer in climate change?
I come into contact with people that fear truth all the time. I had T-shirts made up that say "Truth is not Your Enemy."
I recall that you posted something negative about Eric Dubay's character. Why do you interject anything his character. Are you unable to take on his arguments? This is typically the case when some glober can't refute evidence. They attack character. I see it all the time. You are guilty of it Jimmy. Don't try to deny it.
And the globers like to call FEers liars. FEers are not liars. They never would have gone down the rabbit holes if the heliocentric model had any actual proof. Why would they subject themselves to ridicule if they didn't believe in what they were saying? They do it because they value truth. They love truth. They don't like being lied to. Especially on the scale of the moon landings and the heliocentric model.
I think you posted something from Professor Dave. Really Jimmy? Professor Dave?
So, you don't trust authorities, but you trust NASA? You believe in science which gave us the Big Bang, the theory of evolution and the moon landings? You believe the theory of gravity? Where does you delusion end?
Seriously, don't you think we should teach both models of the universe and let children decide, rather than forcing the heliocentric model down their throats when it is an unproven theory? Is this what you pass off for education, or do you favor indoctrination?
Dr. Bailey I like. She hasn't bothered to address FE as of yet. But if she gets around to it I am sure she will be on the side of truth, not scientism. Peggy Hall came around. Samantha will to if she bothers to evaluate the evidence.
"So, you want me to believe you have everything right and the heliocentric model is factual? I am wrong because I trust my senses and I reject scientism?"
I think the FE narrative is wrong and I provided you with info to disprove it. I guess you're not interested in checking it out. Scared you're wrong?
Debunk the info!
Stop the ad hominin ("Scientism") BS Ken! It's the argument of the ill prepared and weak minded.
"Science is your religion then Jimmy. How is that different from Satanism?"
You sure know how to spew BS Ken.
I do NOT buy into the Climate Change BS!!
"I recall that you posted something negative about Eric Dubay's character. Why do you interject anything his character. Are you unable to take on his arguments? This is typically the case when some glober can't refute evidence. They attack character. I see it all the time. You are guilty of it Jimmy. Don't try to deny it."
I never posted something negative about Eric Dubay....stop making shit up!
You're doing it right now Ken!!
I never said I trusted NASA! I know they lie.
"Where does you delusion end?"
Where does your delusion end Ken? FE? Serious?
Debunk the info I provided and stop with the ad hominin crap.
I trust my personal observations. Nothing you can post will counteract my personal observations. In order to believe in the heliocentric model one has to reject their senses.
Observing seasons and moon phases does not prove the heliocentric model. We all observe them. You got nothing Jimmy. Prove the globe or go away.
Seriously Jimmy, belief in SCIENCE is belief not in God, but in anti-humanity. The Talmud is anti goyim, anti non Jew in other words. Anti morality. Are you one of us, or are you one of them? How can I trust your answer if you can lie without fear of negative karma to a goy?
Belief in science is belief in the scientific manipulation of truth. Manipulation by monetary control of the scientific authorities. Who has the monetary control? Who are the banks. They make the money. He who makes the money has control.
God made gold. Currency is man made. Made by Central Banks and their corporate owners. They make it out of debt. Bonds and such. Loans with interest on money that didn't exist to begin with. Babylonian money magic. A pretty neat trick. Till of course the goyim figure it out and kick their satanic asses out of the local jurisdiction.
Of course now they have a high level of global control through a network of international central banks, cleared through the Bank of International Settlements. No doubt secret societies play a part. Why secrecy? Because if we knew, we wouldn't go along. If we don't go along, their control evaporates.
A good barometer of citizen, or goyim, awareness, is the level of acknowledgement by goyim that the Earth is not a spinning globe. Those trying to dissuade truth seekers off of the FE trail are fighting a losing a battle against consciousness. Banning TikTok is not enough. Banning antisemitic speech is not enough. It is over for "The Big Club."
The more I research things the more I find that everything is manipulated if not an outright lie.
This is the only possible conclusion one can come to.
And who are best at keeping secrets to cover for their lies?
Ever research secret societies? Perhaps you are a member. That's my guess JimmyT.
https://open.substack.com/pub/badlands/p/has-trumps-whole-life-been-a-sting?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android&r=4qa41
https://open.substack.com/pub/truthtango/p/our-precious-flat-earth?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android&r=4qa41
thank you so much for this post! of course we should believe our senses, that's what we're born with and must deal with. it's also part of nature. most 'science' (not so much engineering, mind you) that started to be developed in the mid-19th century a.k.a. the Industrial Revolution was mainly geared at controlling the massive numbers of labourers needed for the new emerging industries and maintaining Empire (colonialism). worth checking out: the IFERS/International Flat Earth Research Society - https://ifers.forumotion.com/
(not to be confused w/limited hangout Flat Earth Society!)
I am glad you liked my post. And thanks for the link. Lots of good stuff.
the past few mornings I was able to see the waning moon in the ealry morning lightblue sky, wandering westwards, or so it seems. beautiful, mysterious as ever. yes, the IFERS' website is quite good, and thank you for all the work you do.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/nGcWAtSFvIck/
Seriously guy, belief in SCIENCE is belief not in God, but in anti-humanity. The Talmud is anti goyim, anti non Jew in other words. Anti morality. Are you one of us, or are you one of them? How can I trust your answer if you can lie without fear of negative karma to a goy?
Belief in science is belief in the scientific manipulation of truth. Manipulation by monetary control of the scientific authorities. Who has the monetary control? Who are the banks. They make the money. He who makes the money has control.
God made gold. Currency is man made. Made by Central Banks and their corporate owners. They make it out of debt. Bonds and such. Loans with interest on money that didn't exist to begin with. Babylonian money magic. A pretty neat trick. Till of course the goyim figure it out and kick their satanic asses out of the local jurisdiction.
Of course now they have a high level of global control through a network of international central banks, cleared through the Bank of International Settlements. No doubt secret societies play a part. Why secrecy? Because if we knew, we wouldn't go along. If we don't go along, their control evaporates.
A good barometer of citizen, or goyim, awareness, is the level of acknowledgement by goyim that the Earth is not a spinning globe. Those trying to dissuade truth seekers off of the FE trail are fighting a losing a battle against consciousness. Banning TikTok is not enough. Banning antisemitic speech is not enough. It is over for "The Big Club."
https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTLofYH81/
"Professor Dave Explains"...
"Eric Dubay Sucks at Life (200 Flat Earth “Proofs” Debunked)"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBfEhIJLYfY&t=511s
Also:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dd-FAyHdpxI No science needed!
PhD in physics Sabine Hosenfelder...
"Flat Earth "Science" -- Wrong, but not Stupid"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8DQSM-b2cc
"Dave Mckeegan"...
"Flat Earther proving the globe .... Again!"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsxIB360rS8&t=679s
"Lunar eclipse"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunar_eclipse
Is this your FE map? LMAO!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azimuthal_equidistant_projection#/media/File:Azimuthal_equidistant_projection_SW.jpg
Since I hang out on BitChute and at Dr Sam Bailey's Substack(Remember me?), I'm the LAST person on earth to trust the "authorities"... as you say.
So why have you chosen this side of the issue? Are you a Talmed banging anti-moral antihuman kind of guy? Or do you just fear truth?
Because I believe in SCIENCE, unlike you Kenny. I'm also not into ad hominem attacks in a debate.
Fear truth? Come on Ken, seriously, do you even read my comments. They take a little bit of confronting.
Once again, I hang out at Dr Sam Bailey's substack along with other truthful websites like www.Rense.com, https://www.henrymakow.com/ , https://www.informationliberation.com/ and others.
So, you want me to believe you have everything right and the heliocentric model is factual? I am wrong because I trust my senses and I reject scientism?
Science is your religion then Jimmy. How is that different from Satanism?
What passes for science these days is what gets funded. Climate change is BS, but it gets funded. Are you a believer in climate change?
I come into contact with people that fear truth all the time. I had T-shirts made up that say "Truth is not Your Enemy."
I recall that you posted something negative about Eric Dubay's character. Why do you interject anything his character. Are you unable to take on his arguments? This is typically the case when some glober can't refute evidence. They attack character. I see it all the time. You are guilty of it Jimmy. Don't try to deny it.
And the globers like to call FEers liars. FEers are not liars. They never would have gone down the rabbit holes if the heliocentric model had any actual proof. Why would they subject themselves to ridicule if they didn't believe in what they were saying? They do it because they value truth. They love truth. They don't like being lied to. Especially on the scale of the moon landings and the heliocentric model.
I think you posted something from Professor Dave. Really Jimmy? Professor Dave?
So, you don't trust authorities, but you trust NASA? You believe in science which gave us the Big Bang, the theory of evolution and the moon landings? You believe the theory of gravity? Where does you delusion end?
Seriously, don't you think we should teach both models of the universe and let children decide, rather than forcing the heliocentric model down their throats when it is an unproven theory? Is this what you pass off for education, or do you favor indoctrination?
Dr. Bailey I like. She hasn't bothered to address FE as of yet. But if she gets around to it I am sure she will be on the side of truth, not scientism. Peggy Hall came around. Samantha will to if she bothers to evaluate the evidence.
"So, you want me to believe you have everything right and the heliocentric model is factual? I am wrong because I trust my senses and I reject scientism?"
I think the FE narrative is wrong and I provided you with info to disprove it. I guess you're not interested in checking it out. Scared you're wrong?
Debunk the info!
Stop the ad hominin ("Scientism") BS Ken! It's the argument of the ill prepared and weak minded.
"Science is your religion then Jimmy. How is that different from Satanism?"
You sure know how to spew BS Ken.
I do NOT buy into the Climate Change BS!!
"I recall that you posted something negative about Eric Dubay's character. Why do you interject anything his character. Are you unable to take on his arguments? This is typically the case when some glober can't refute evidence. They attack character. I see it all the time. You are guilty of it Jimmy. Don't try to deny it."
I never posted something negative about Eric Dubay....stop making shit up!
You're doing it right now Ken!!
I never said I trusted NASA! I know they lie.
"Where does you delusion end?"
Where does your delusion end Ken? FE? Serious?
Debunk the info I provided and stop with the ad hominin crap.
I can observe moon phases and seasons.
We will never have an affirmative answer till we are allowed to freely explore Antarctica. This will never be allowed.
"Crossing Antarctica" by Will Steger.
Have you read this book Ken? I have, interesting journey NOT possible on a FE with its fictitious "ice barrier".
Knowing you you probably think it's all made up fiction.
Not true. More FE nonsense.
My roommate in the USCG visited Antarctica on an icebreaker several times. Nothing unusual.
I trust my personal observations. Nothing you can post will counteract my personal observations. In order to believe in the heliocentric model one has to reject their senses.
Observing seasons and moon phases does not prove the heliocentric model. We all observe them. You got nothing Jimmy. Prove the globe or go away.
"Observing seasons and moon phases does not prove the heliocentric model."
Yes it does! I provided info, but I guess you're not interested.
Is this how you deal with people in a debate?
I already proved the globe Ken! Did you watch and checkout all the info I provided? I provided proof WITHOUT science.
EXPLAIN how a total lunar eclipse happens on a FE model/map! Otherwise, you haven't got the guts to debate me.
Are you saying you didn't post this? "Professor Dave Explains"...
"Eric Dubay Sucks at Life (200 Flat Earth “Proofs” Debunked)"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBfEhIJLYfY&t=511s
Dave said that not me!
Seriously Jimmy, belief in SCIENCE is belief not in God, but in anti-humanity. The Talmud is anti goyim, anti non Jew in other words. Anti morality. Are you one of us, or are you one of them? How can I trust your answer if you can lie without fear of negative karma to a goy?
Belief in science is belief in the scientific manipulation of truth. Manipulation by monetary control of the scientific authorities. Who has the monetary control? Who are the banks. They make the money. He who makes the money has control.
God made gold. Currency is man made. Made by Central Banks and their corporate owners. They make it out of debt. Bonds and such. Loans with interest on money that didn't exist to begin with. Babylonian money magic. A pretty neat trick. Till of course the goyim figure it out and kick their satanic asses out of the local jurisdiction.
Of course now they have a high level of global control through a network of international central banks, cleared through the Bank of International Settlements. No doubt secret societies play a part. Why secrecy? Because if we knew, we wouldn't go along. If we don't go along, their control evaporates.
A good barometer of citizen, or goyim, awareness, is the level of acknowledgement by goyim that the Earth is not a spinning globe. Those trying to dissuade truth seekers off of the FE trail are fighting a losing a battle against consciousness. Banning TikTok is not enough. Banning antisemitic speech is not enough. It is over for "The Big Club."
"Or do you just fear truth?"
Once again Ken(this is getting tiring):
I HANG OUT AT DR SAM BAILEY'S SUBSTACK CHANNEL!
I'm in the "no virus" camp.
I have another good video that's 13 minutes where Dave debunks FE easily using common sense and logic.
"Debunking TWO claimed 'accurate' Flat Earth models"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHBX9MWroYI
Explains why you haven't provided a working FE Map/Model that explains all observable phenomenon, hence FE is pseudoscience/ scientism.
Quoting you Ken:
"Zetetic Astronomy, Earth Not a Globe by Samuel Birley Rowbotham"
Wrong math Ken with this Zetetic Astronomy.
Dave explains here:
--The 10 Things That All Flat Earthers Say--
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KyD8VIK032o
starts @4:30mm
Here's another good video that debunks FE Ken(8 minutes):
"Flat Earth Argument that DISPROVES Flat Earth Theory"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbyWC9cqEGo
It shows curvature of the earth. Common sense.
Don't miss this one:
I already asked you this question but you never answered.
"Do we finally have an accurate Flat Earth Map?"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCGhzZD3SVI
The case of moving goalposts.
https://www.youtube.com/live/wAvQA9CNG2I?si=e_36RWgpCtkulExX